Can we be respectful and agree to disagreement?
“And calling people "idiots" isn't really going to help your argument either.” -billtoo
Jay- YES there has been disrespectful conversation from the side of those angry at the ballot outcome. I went thru quickly and here are random quotes from the last thread. o ”When Melody Hallet said she did not support the Carlisle/Farney initiative, the audience roared with spontaneous laughter.”
o “Their thoughtless negativity has put a well run city on the brink of financial disaster. we all know the names of the few idiots who put us into this situation. Shame on them.”
o “Carlisle/Farney (and friends) bamboozled a lot of citizens in our fair community, and now we are left to pick up the pieces and figure out a solution.”
o “I find it interesting that you are so sure that the 3 council members never said "Vote for 2014-28." Were they coached?”
o “Billy, it was your arguments ... excuse me, good discourse, .. that got us in the mess.”
o “Melodee Hallett, Mike Bowers, Hal Brown who are continually confused about these items during City Council meetings.”
o “If you did not understand the difference between capital and operating and the related restrictions, then why did you not educate yourself and your supporters?”
On the other hand---the comments of Supps and billtoo and bcarlisle and jeff A were the most level- headed and respectful. Review. They appear to respect the people who voted for the initiative, and most of the others do not appear that way.
That is kind of the crux of a lot of this issue--- some people feel they are smarter and know better, and don’t care what many Salidans believe. Many in Salida just simply believe in small government. (Me!) Many don’t trust the government . Many don’t care about bike paths/lanes and whitewater parks, music festivals and development of Vanderveer, and don’t aspire to be like the suburbs, etc etc. The sentiments of many people must be considered whether you like it or not.
I appreciate when people are concerned about what is going on-- they are the reason the ballot was voted on and they are the reason it won. It is unfortunate that so many people on the other side consider this group ignorant or stupid. That is a very common belief among the whitecollar about the working class. It is very common among affluent democrats to believe republicans are dumb.
As Bcarlisle has pointed out--- several issues have been pulling this town apart. The biggest one is lack of respect for other viewpoints, IMO. There are ways to cooperate instead of being passive aggressive and working toward a zero sum outcome= winner take all. That to me is in truth what a lot of the loudest against Car- Farn are about--- it is winner take all. Also by the way, a very urban attitude and that is where a lot of power people in Salida come from. They aggressively (usually passively since they dislike accountability) push for what they want with little regard for others—who they are better-than in any case.
To me, Salida is quickly becoming a bunch of suburbanites and baby boomers looking for a mtn retreat. What made it a great town is working class people who believed in community over money, good conversation over competitiveness, simple government over a complicated bureaucracy. We are in trouble as a community because the newcomer culture is better at playing the game to win while the oldest families and rural people are just numb with all the noise of suburbia coming to Salida. And they are ridiculed because they don’t applaud the noise.
We should slow down, relax, respect eachother, and applaud the families who put up with all the hubbub year after year. Instead, I have heard over and over “if you don’t like it go somewhere else” from people who have been here a short time. IF you haven’t been here for at least 25 yrs, you’re still kinda new, OK? We should always K.I.S.S., and this means all of us.